Puppy reactive to kids, adults, dogs, horses, moving water…you name it

  • Puppy reactive to kids, adults, dogs, horses, moving water…you name it

    Posted by rhonda on August 24, 2021 at 12:25 PM

    I have a 5 month old rescue Mal that reacts fearful aggressive to all the above. I’m confused on how to handle this. In many forum and videos it states that puppies are too young for corrections and that all you do is lure and shape behaviors. That is great but I don’t think keeping my dog just in my house is healthy. I have been going to group puppy classes and he will not socialize with the other puppies when it’s time, which is fine. He is not aggressive off leash to them but if they over step his comfort he will react. I have taken him to a dog park with an agility course. Off leash he just follows my commands and ignores all the other dogs, which is great. I take him on walks very early in the morning so we do not see any other people or dogs (although he lunges at cars). I just started taking him for walks on leash on a parkway that is pretty busy with walkers, joggers, bikes, dog (on leash). He reacts mostly to other dogs and kids. I’m just worried about him with kids when I have friends over.

    rhonda replied 2 years, 8 months ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Ed

    Member
    August 24, 2021 at 1:42 PM

    Best tool to keep him out of trouble is the crate. Leash reactivity, according to Robert, is often because when presented with a situation that the dog sees as fight-or-flight the tension on the leash, in his mind, removes his ability to get away, so he thinks he has to fight. There are several lessons, the ones that Robert is teaching a new dog, that deal with these behaviors. Main thing until you get things under control at home is the crate. I would not let the possibility of failure exist as it relates to visitors or kids. That means crate. A bad experience with either could set things up for a lot of work, which maybe fixable or could spiral out of control. I would not risk having him able to interact with visitors or kids till he has proven himself in other areas. You could lose your dog because a visitor or a kid does something stupid, like slapping your dog on the face as it happened to mine. You got this, don’t worry!!

  • Lisa

    Member
    August 25, 2021 at 6:41 AM

    I agree with the crate! It’s your best bet. And work on a strong place command (build time in slowly) my bully is a pushy 120 pound beast so we tell him go to your bed when guests are over and once he is calm and settled he gets rewarded. The only place he gets his chew toys are also on his bed so that helps. Work him at a distance from cars and moving objects. A park with a large field should help (just do engagement exercises like the look command or some loose leash walking on a long line) little leash pops and reward when he responses is key. I wish my dog ignored and didnt wsnt to play with other dogs !!!! Consider yourself lucky and just be very careful. Maybe skip the play portion for class and work some obedience and play with you instead !!! my dog is too doggie (he loves dogs and I made the mistake of letting him play too much as a pup)

  • Gene

    Member
    August 25, 2021 at 1:38 PM

    It appears that maybe he is being triggered by the movement as opposed to each individual distraction. On the early morning walks when you see the car or something else approaching have him sit, if his ears go up or you can see him tense up he gets corrected.

    At 5 months he can be corrected for this behavior, use a martingale or choke collar if you are not using one of these. Also if this doesn’t work you may want to introduce him to a prong collar just around the house for an hour a couple of times a day for a few days for him to get used to the pressure then take him out early in the morning for a walk. At 6 months or so he can be introduced to this collar as you will bond with the dog while walking. BE SURE TO WATCH ROBERT’S VIDEOS on the use of this tool, on being fair to the dog and teaching the dog how to relieve the pressure on his neck. There is a lesson on this now I think Robert is working with the owner and a dog named Sadie.

  • Gene

    Member
    August 25, 2021 at 1:44 PM

    The name of the video is Prong Collar and Leash pressure

  • Riggan

    Moderator
    August 26, 2021 at 6:11 AM

    Rhonda,

    There are likely multiple factors involved here. How much do you know about this rescue’s past? Is there a basis for his fear aggression? That doesn’t change how you will go about resolving it, but it can help you understand and predict where behaviors will occur. Also, at 5 months, the dog could be going through a normal adolescent fear period. From an evolutionary perspective, at this age, young pups are starting to explore more without their mom around. Building in a heightened sense of fear during this period helped ensure survival of the species as the young dogs start to learn what is safe and what is not.

    So how to handle it? I agree that in your house, a crate is a wonderful tool especially if children or strangers are around. If possible, put the crate far enough away that the dog can see or hear the people without being overly stressed by them. Give the dog a stuffed Kong or something else that is very appealing to him so that he starts associating visitors with good things. Do NOT let the visitors approach him or do something that the dog will perceive as threatening. When I started with Lance, this meant he was in my office with the door closed where he could still hear guests but not see them. I would periodically during the visit go give him a chicken jerky strip or something like that. Once he was not bothered by the guests (other than the initial warning alert that there are intruders in the home!!!!), I would leave the door open so he could catch glimpses of the people. Then I advanced to having him on his cot at the far end of the room or laying under my legs. You get the idea – very gradual advancement of difficulty, but only within his comfort level and with the actions of the guests carefully controlled. Top priority is always to keep the guests safe. If it is children who are likely to be noisy and move quickly and unexpectedly, to this day I will keep Lance separated and behind closed doors. It is just too much to expect of him to deal with them.

    Outside the home, start with a quiet park or at a time when there are few people there. I would definitely not take him to a dog park or force him to play with other dogs during class. I like the suggestion that you continue to do obedience training (with a high rate of positive reinforcement) while the other pups play. Do not shelter him from scary stuff, but only expose him at a safe distance. “Safe” means that he can see something that might be a concern to him but he is also still able to turn his focus to you and respond to training. Remember that with a change in distraction level, you will need to drop your expectations back to step one. So even if he is 100% on “Sit” at home, when he is in the park with a distraction, return to luring the sit. Then gradually build back up to 100% response. Each time you move closer to the distraction, lower your expectations. Only move closer when he is comfortable at the prior distance. Throughout this process, he is learning to trust you and that you will keep him safe, so don’t break this trust by trying to rush the results.

    Definitely watch Robert’s many “Join the lesson” videos to find out how YOUR tension can be going right down the line to your dog. I wouldn’t necessarily rush to a prong collar. The last thing you want is the pup to associate the pain / pinch of the prong with the feared objects: “See – I was right to be scared! I try to drive that thing off and it hurts me!” Also, in Robert’s latest video with the Dutchie-Mal mix, you can see the almost instantaneous change when he takes a fearful reactive dog off the prong and onto a slip lead. He talks about how a prong can make a reactive dog worse.

    Consistent exposure is key. That doesn’t necessarily mean every day, though. Things will happen, and if your dog has a particular scare one day, you might want to avoid any triggers for a couple of days before restarting. It can take adrenaline levels over 24 hours to return to base level after a fight / flight response is triggered. If this is related to a fear period, you could very well see a substantial change within weeks. Regardless, keep working on it bit by bit. Your pup is still very young, and much of his confidence will come from seeing you stay calm and unconcerned. Then you will have a long and loving companionship for years to come. Good luck!

  • rhonda

    Member
    August 27, 2021 at 10:34 AM

    Thank you for all your advice. You all were so kind and helpful unlike other forums I have participated in and quickly left because of the negative people.

    It really helped knowing that this may just be a adolescent period in his life. I have noticed that he stops reacting as much after 15 minutes or so. I took him to a private lesson the other day and was happy to see him working for the instructor without barking or being fearful.

    I took him for a walk with a friend and her dog (12 year old non reactive dog). He had a little hair standing up on his hackles for a minute but soon they were walking side by side on the parkway happy as can be.

    I think we are on the right track but I just don’t want to mess things up as I have been scolded by many for owning a Malinois. I may be new to dog training (I’ve had dogs my whole life, most dobermans and shepherd) but I have never really had a problem dog. I also train horses and wild birds (zoo setting) so I have some animal sense. I am not too proud to ask for advice before things get out of hand. Thank you again:)

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