Evening biting

  • Evening biting

    Posted by Michael on November 15, 2024 at 7:35 PM

    I think I know the answers here, having followed for a year: .

    After getting our two young kids down for bed, (usually 8:30-9pm) some nights out ten month old Berner, Vaea (rhymes with Maya) is fairly calm, but most nights she’s at her worst. It’s about the only time she bites; she bites us, the couch, and really demands attention with bad habits – barking, swatting, biting. (Thanks to this site, she is otherwise an incredibly great, mellow, well trained and gentle dog).

    On the very rare nights my wife travels, the dog is totally calm at night.

    Ideas? It’s gotten worse since she was about 8 months. We have great neighbor dogs and her iggt biting is definitely worse when we don’t get to see them during the day, it she gets multiple walks, time to rest, engagement.

    Any ideas or commiseration appreciated.

    Mike

    Michael replied 12 hours, 1 minute ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Jeffery

    Member
    November 15, 2024 at 8:25 PM

    When you say “biting”, do you mean the dog gets mouthy and grabs your hand of sleeve, or do you mean the dog is actually biting, being aggressive?

  • Michael

    Member
    November 16, 2024 at 3:17 AM

    Great question, it’s much more that she’s being mouthy than aggressive biting. But it is near constant and pretty hard.

    As I said I think I know some answers, but it’s like all her mouthiness for the day in a 20 minute period.

    Suggestions to improve? Walks at this time of night have proven 50/50 effective or not, sometimes she stays just as riled up.

  • BillM

    Member
    November 16, 2024 at 6:48 AM

    My pup (6mo old Malinois) gets into a hyper stage during the evenings sometimes (almost all the time). When he’s just burning some energy, I let him have a minute at doing it. But, when he starts to go over the top (for me), he usually gets really mouthy and that’s when I either start working with obedience commands (which is play to him, he loves to work) or occasionally, I have to give him a time out in his crate. Usually, these two things take him totally out of that state, with the training being the number one thing I go to.

  • Cameron

    Member
    November 16, 2024 at 10:58 AM

    It sounds like he’s demanding attention, so giving him attention (ie walking, etc) would be reinforcing this behavior (anything that doesn’t stop a behavior, reinforces it).

    The best solution to this is the place command. I have a malinois that’s similar. He will demand attention and play all day, if he doesn’t have anything to do. The solution is to give him a job, and that’s the place command. He’s obeying while staying in his bed, which helps him focus, and gives me the break.

    Robert has many videos on bed/place/stay. My method is pretty simple and works well. Start by luring (Robert covers this well) and when they know to go to the bed, then go and reward them with increasing duration between rewards. Soon, move to remote rewards (recall them for the reward and back to bed/place).

    An easy way to practice is when watching TV. Send the dog to their place while the show is on, then break and give affection during commercials, sending them back to bed when the show resumes. You’ll see progress VERY quickly.

    The important part is corrections. If they break the stay (and that’s what they broke, they didn’t break a down or go to bed, because they completed those tasks), then slowly return them to their place under pressure (I use dominant dog collars and apply some pressure).

    How much pressure? It’s really easy. Start where you’re comfortable. If they break the stay, it’s not enough so increase it until they stop breaking the stay.

    Some tips: Never chase the dog. Never say “No” or anything until you have the leash. NEVER be in a hurry back, the walk back to the place should suck for the dog so they don’t want to break the stay. Do not reward when you get them back. A short leash pop and STAY. At first, don’t wait too long to reward but increase the wait time.

    Work the place/stay at home, when that’s good, do it outside in your yard, then other places (only where you can correct). This is the key to a stable, enjoyable dog. Just one persons opinion.

  • Michael

    Member
    November 16, 2024 at 4:24 PM

    Thank you all for the feedback. I will try some training, and yes, we do a lot of “place” work inside and out. I’m really curious how this will go!

    I’ll be curious tonight because we got her introduced to two new neighborhood dogs today (in the morning) so hopefully she’ll be a little more tired but not over tired.

    AKC (for what it’s worth) rates Berners and Mallinois surprisingly similar!

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