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MemberJanuary 11, 2021 at 9:01 PM
Our 13 month old, intact, male German Shepherd has just started getting distracted, stubborn and a little defiant. At our trainer’s the other day he was sniffing and licking at the females. He has an appointment for neutering on January 28th and the trainer says that yes, that is probably a good idea. What I am worried about is that people always say that a dog will be essentially “frozen” at the stage they are in when they are neutered. I want him back the way he was a couple of weeks ago when he wasn’t stubborn. Do I have a hope of this new behaviour pattern fading away with neutering?(pic from his first birthday last month)
MemberJanuary 12, 2021 at 6:54 AM
It’s only my opinion but I would keep him intact and train out the undesired behaviour.
He is starting to become an adolescent dog and he will be more “stubborn” neutered or not and it’s something you will have to work through. Puppies start to become independent at that age, they like to explore and realise that there are other things which are rewarding apart from you. Make sure you are still the most interesting and rewarding thing in their world. Have a lot of structure, give a reward and consequence for his actions.
OrganizerJanuary 12, 2021 at 6:55 AM
The general rule of thumb that I’ve come across when neutering is to wait until the dog fully matures. Whether that’s 1.5 or 2 years old, that’s is up to the dog.
The main reason for that is so the dog can fully develop their body before removing the testosterone from helping them grow and “complete”.
Again this is all just stuff I’ve picked up and from me asking Robert on my own and searching the internet when I was researching the topic. I have a GSD who is 1.5 years old now (not neutered), and while he did start becoming more distracted and stubborn like your dog has, it just meant I had to be a bit more disciplined and not let him get away with his new bad behaviors. He is at the point now where I feel his concentration has never been better.
That’s natural – even when having a teenage son (God help me, my oldest son is 14). They will get a little more defiant as they grow into maturity but once it settles down you should be good.
But everyone’s situation is different and you are past the point of a year where Robert says that’s the bare minimum if you need to do it.
For me personally – I plan on keeping Enzo intact his whole life unless any unforeseen health issues come up and require it. But I live a life where I am around my dog nearly the whole day – I do not let him out on his own and he is always by my side.
Edit to my reply – Here is a video I found early on that helped me also reach my conclusion along with conversations I’ve had with Robert. I took my dog to his first vet appointment when I got him at 8 weeks and already they wanted to set him up for a neuter appointment when he was going to turn 6 months. I was floored they offered it so young.
MemberJanuary 12, 2021 at 7:48 AM
Yeah, I have done some research as well and am still going back and forth in my head.
My vet wanted to neuter him when he was 7 months old, even sent me emails as to why. I continued to research and found out about waiting until the growth plates are closed. He hasn’t gotten any taller for a couple of months, so I was thinking it is probably safe now.
The new attitude is something we are going to have to work through for sure. There is no magic pill for that, but I am hoping that the neutering doesn’t make it impossible to get the old Gibson back.
My goal is to be able to take him out to the farm to live after we build our new home (48 acres) and I want him to be able to go out hunting, like our dogs did there when I was a child. I don’t want him to be out getting the neighbour dogs pregnant though.
MemberJanuary 13, 2021 at 1:54 PM
I echo Alin’s post – we had Blue spayed before she was 1 year old; I regret giving in to what the vet recommended, should have waited until she was older. First, it’s been very traumatic for her, tough to recover. She’s 5 year old now, a lot less friendly towards other dogs that in her early days and had few health issues too along the way which could be related to having her spayed so early. If I had to do it all over again, I would not do it at all.
OrganizerJanuary 13, 2021 at 2:37 PM
There’s nothing we can do to take back the things we didn’t know at a point in time. We make the best of it and make sure our dogs are living the best life they can. Then when we get blessed with another dog down the line, we learn from our previous experiences.
Such is life.
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MemberJanuary 13, 2021 at 4:45 PM
I have a 12 month old rottie, intact we have been socializing since he was 12 weeks. Gunner is great with people and other dogs. 112lbs. My trainer says the same wait til 1.5-2 years.
MemberJanuary 15, 2021 at 6:28 AM
Just a story with personal experience. My moms dog was adopted from a shelter when he was 8mo. He’s a beagle mix, and the sweetest dog there is. However, as every dog that leaves the shelter has to be neutered there wasn’t a choice to neuter him or not. In this picture he is 6 years old and he still looks like a pup, he never matured into his body and has a ton of health issues.
You wouldn’t neuter/spade your teenage kid for being a knuckle head. Buckle up and stay disciplined. Like Alin said be the most interesting and rewarding person in your dogs life. Good gets abundant reward and bad gets corrected.
If you still desire to proceed than please just wait till he fully matures.
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